Sunday, January 15, 2012

Giants, Nephilim, Aliens? Do they exist?

One of the great “mysteries” of the Bible is to what is meant in Genesis 6:1-4 “And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.”

There have been two different views on this subject. One is that the sons of God are the offspring of Seth and the other is that the Sons of God are angels who came down from the heavens to mate with human women, giving birth to giants or nephilim.

Let us take the first view to see if it is a logical view, given other information. This view says that the Sons of God were the righteous offspring of Seth, and the daughters of men were the offspring of Cain. The reason given for it having to be humans and not angels is that angels do not marry. It is true that Yeshua told us that angels do not marry in heaven. Matthew 22:30 “For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.” What exactly does this state? It states that in heaven, the institution of marriage is not carried out. Does it mean that people are sexless? No. We will still be men and women. We merely will not be entering into the union of marriage. Procreation will be unnecessary. Does it mean that angels are sexless? No. It means that they do not get married. That is all it means. There is no need for them to procreate. It does not mean that angels are not capable of sex. But do angels have gender? Yes.  In Jude 1:9 Michael is referred to as a "he."  Is this just not semantics, as we have no pronoun for genderless entities? No.  There are also female angels. Zechariah 5:9 " Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven." Human women do not have wings. Angels have wings. And these angels are clearly called females. Angels do not have corporeal bodies that are the same as ours, but we are told that they can manifest bodies such as ours when we are told that we may entertain angels unaware. Hebrews 13:2 “Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.” Abraham and Lot saw angels that looked like men, and the men of Sodom wanted to have sex with them. So it would appear that angels can take human form and have sex. We should not add to the Scriptures to try to defend a position, especially because we are simply uncomfortable with the alternative. So the main defense for this position does not hold up.

Some other problems that arise with this view are as follows:

God says in Genesis 6:11-12 “The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.” We know that the world was so evil and violent, that God saved Noah and his family alone from His wrath. So we know that Seth's progeny were no more righteous than Cain's were. If they were so righteous, why on earth would they be marrying into Cain's line, who were given over to all sorts of evil? Obviously this is a real problem with this view. All of mankind had become corrupt, Seth's line and Cain's line alike. They were no longer the Sons of God, if that were to mean that they were righteous. But is that the way that phrase is meant? This will be dealt with shortly.
The next problem becomes, if this were merely the union of humans, why would it be producing a race of giant nephilim who were men of unnatural abilities, as they were renowned for their mighty deeds? Some argue that the Hebrew word “nephil” should not be translated as “giants” but “fallen ones.” That depends on whose lexicon or concordance you are using, so let us look at what the Scriptures indicate. They say that these nephilim were on the earth before the Flood and after. We know from Scriptures that giants, tremendous giants if we are to believe the Scriptures, lived after the Flood in the land of Canaan. Amos 2:9 “Yet destroyed I the Amorite before them, whose height was like the height of the cedars, and he was strong as the oaks.” The cedars of Lebanon, which are the cedars to which this would refer, grow to 130 feet tall. Even if the Amorites were only a quarter tall as the cedars (and that is not what the Scriptures say) they would still be over thirty feet tall. But you argue, maybe God was talking about really young cedars that were only twenty feet tall. Okay, then these people were twenty feet tall. That is still way too tall for human genes. What if the trees were only ten feet tall. Then why mention the famous cedars of Lebanon that were renowned for this height? The fir trees in my yard are taller than that. That's not impressive nor worthy of mention, even though it is still too tall for regular human genes. Obviously these giants were very, very tall. The spies Moses sent out came back with a report that the inhabitants of the land were so big that they felt like grasshoppers next to them. Numbers 13:33. Even the fruit of the land was abnormally large. Numbers 13:23 tells how the spies cut down one bunch of grapes that was so large that two people had to carry it between them. This spy report reflects tremendously tall giants. So if giants, who were obviously not normal humans, lived after the Flood, then they must have lived before the Flood, as these are the same type of people to which this Scripture in Genesis 6 refers. Humans are completely incapable of producing giants of this stature. Even Goliath at roughly nine feet tall (and he was a small giant) is taller than the very rare “giants” that live today and show up in Hollywood films. And he was only one of an entire race of giants, not some random anomaly. Obviously something else is meant other than the sons of Seth. That these giants are fallen ones is also true, as they corrupted the world before the Flood, and they were so evil God wanted them wiped out by Israel too.

Now we have to look at the other side of the equation and see if the other scenario is possibly true. Are the Sons of God angels? That is the only other option. In the Old Testament, and we must use that as our guide, not the New Testament use of the phrase, as it is the Old Testament where these nephilim or progeny of these Sons of God are found, the phrase Sons of God is used three times other than these two references in Genesis 6. In Job chapters 1, 2, and 38 we see that each of these references is clearly speaking of angels. So as these references all refer to angels, we have to be consistent and say that Genesis is speaking of angels too, as the Old Testament usage of the phrase only has one meaning. We have already shown that the fact that angels do not marry in heaven does not mean they are incapable of having sex and marrying against God's command. In fact, in Jude verse 6 we are told about some of these angels. “And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.” A book that is not reliable as Scripture, but God had Jude quote, is the Book of Enoch. It presents the story of how a group of angels saw the daughters of men, left their heavenly abode, and came down and mated with them. Their union produced great giants who terrorized the earth. Their evil knew no bounds, and they even were cannibals. These fallen angels did not keep their first estate in the heavens, but left it coming down to earth. While we cannot take this as gospel truth as we can the Scriptures, it certainly does help indicate that in ancient times this was how this Scripture was interpreted and that is important, as how the disciples and Yeshua interpreted it shows us how we should interpret it. It would seem that Jude (the Lord's brother) accepted this as what had happened, so that is a pretty strong statement in favor of it, and in fact God does allow him to quote one verse from the Book of Enoch, which indicates that some of it is reliable, but it is not reliable as a whole. So it would seem that Genesis 6 is telling us that these Sons of God were angels, which would then fit the rest of Scripture so much better.

As already shown, these nephilim of Genesis 6 were giants as indicated by Scripture verifying itself, so we know they were not of normal human parentage. The Sons of God were indeed angels and the parents of these hybrids. Further, these nephilim were mighty men of renown. Men whose deeds were so beyond the normal deeds of men that legends would have arisen about them. Legends such as the 12 Labors of Hercules, or Thor's Hammer, or Gilgamesh. These legends did not necessarily spring from the imaginations of men. People write and tell what they know. These legends may be corrupted stories of these nephilim from either before or after the Flood. Certainly Noah and his sons would have passed on the stories of what happened before the Flood, and we know that these nephilim lived after the Flood as well. We have no idea of what a being that is half angelic and half human may have been (or still may be) capable. They may have had what appeared to be supernatural powers. They may have had knowledge, science, and technology that far exceeded man's (look at the pyramids, and the ruins and artifacts that have been found that we cannot duplicate today with all our technology). The myth of Atlantis was of a highly technological world which was buried under the sea. Is this possible a corruption of the antediluvian world which God overthrew with the Flood? We know that Israel did not kill off all the giants. Some of them took refuge in other cities, and no doubt migrated. In fact there seems to be records that show that they moved north and also into the Americas. These Mayan and other ruins can be easily explained if you think of tremendous giants with incredible strength and advanced technology as having built them. All of these things which we cannot explain, but the evidences are there, can be explained by simply taking these verses in Genesis at face value and realizing that the angelic realm (the fallen ones) have been and still are interacting with mankind at the most intimate level. So much is explained by believing this - all the gigantic ruins, all the legends and myths of the “gods,” the hieroglyphics in Sumerian, Egyptian, and Mayan relics. When the myths are looked at, it appears that many of them tell the same stories, but the names are changed and the circumstances are slightly altered. This is easily explained, as without God to make sure something is kept accurate, man keeps making his little adjustments to stories and they wander further and further from the actual truth, thereby becoming much larger in the telling. (The fish that got away gets bigger every time the fisherman tells the tale.)

When one reads the books of the Old Testament from the Exodus through the historical books (and some of the prophets) one sees that the inhabitants of the land God was claiming for Israel was infested with these tribes of giants. As we now know that they were indeed hybrids or nephilim, it becomes clear why God mandated that they must all be killed. He could not allow this contaminated bloodline to enter into Israel's bloodline, as the Messiah needed to come from pure human blood. They were an evil people and their genetics were corrupting mankind again. Not only that, but they needed to vacate the land so Israel could have it. By killing off these terrifying giants, all the surrounding tribes (non-giants) would fear the God of Israel and what He could do. God not only made them kill these inhabitants, but He also had them slaughter the animals as well. We know that they must have tampered with the genetics of the food, as the grapes were probably about the size of basketballs from the Biblical report. They would have to be, to feed people that big. They probably did the same thing to the animals, to enlarge them to feed their people.

What follows cannot be found in Scripture per se in every instance (we do know from the Bible that they must have manipulated the DNA of food as the grapes were so big), but there are historical records, oral traditions, written legends, archaeological finds, etc. from which we can may some educational guesses as to what has happened to these creatures. There is evidence in ancient records that indicates these highly intelligent nephilim, and possibly their angelic parents, were very probably playing with the DNA of the animal world, as well as infesting the human bloodline, and not just for food purposes. In the myths of the various cultures we see monsters that were hybrid human/animal, and hybrid animal/animal, as well as the human/angelic hybrids. This is also found pictured in Egyptian heiroglyphics.  This may have been possibly been going on before the Flood, and the indications are from these findings that it was going on after the Flood. Considering that we are supposed to be living in times like that of Noah, do we see anything like that going on today? Yes. The Bible tells us there is nothing new under the sun.  We do not even have to resort to looking at “alien” experimentation to find it. We can see that our own scientists are tinkering with DNA in plants, animals, and humans. What does God say about that? In Leviticus 19:19 we find that God commands that they not mingle different types of seeds together, or different types of animals. They are to reproduce after their own kind, just as God originally created them. He does not want DNA mixed. One has to wonder why Satan is so keen on messing with our DNA now that Christ has been brought into the world. Are there more angelic beings, or the nephilim offspring from those who are chained in darkness, trying to create some sort of new nephilim army for Satan in the last days? In Daniel 2:43, when speaking of the statue in Nebuchadnezzar's dream that represented the kingdoms that would exist at the end of time, the last kingdom before the Messiah's return would be one where “they” mingle themselves with the "seed of man". Who are “they”? No matter what nations were to mingle themselves, it would still be man mingling with man. This is something other than man mingling itself with the seed of man, not just mingling politically with man. Man's seed is his DNA. This is something that is genetically intermingling with mankind that is not of mankind. In other words, just as the angels procreated with man before, something is procreating with man again. One assumes it must be either more fallen angels, or their progeny the nephilim that are creating more hybrid children, while posing as “aliens” since we no longer believe in the “gods.”  This is what Scripture tells us, not just a hypothesis.

So, given that the evidence supports the angels being the Sons of God, why would people insist that they must be the sons of Seth? It would seem that the only reason for going with this theory (Seth) as to whom the Sons of God were is simply because the alternative creates a scenario with which people are very uncomfortable. Why is that? It is because people would like to think that the spirit world does not interact with us on a level that is so intimate. It creates a reality that is far more frightening than thinking that we are all there is in this world. It opens the door to all kinds of possibilities. First you have to deal with the idea of monstrous giants, giants who may still exist today hidden somewhere, because Israel did not kill all of them off as ordered, and giants were reported by the explorers of the Americas, as well as the Native Americans.  These are historical records, not fictional books.  It opens the door to the idea that there are angelic hybrids that may not be so human still around. We know that these offspring mentioned in the Bible at least looked human because all the angels were tall, blonde and blue-eyed Nordic types, right? Wait, is that entirely true; do we know that? We know Goliath seemed to be human looking, albeit much larger, but what about the other inhabitants? What does Scripture say? 1 Chronicles 11:22 (and 2 Samuel 23:20) “Benaiah the son of Jehoiada, the son of a valiant man of Kabzeel, who had done many acts; he slew two lionlike men of Moab.” When this says these men are lion-like, does that mean they are ferocious and fierce warriors, or does it literally mean that they resemble lions? The root word seems to indicate the animal, not just the fierce character.

Again, back to speculating, if one looks at all the ancient writings and takes them at face value,(the ability to do that is in question) there is evidence that there have existed all kinds of people, or creatures, if you prefer, that are not entirely human. People dismiss these as legends, superstition, and the like, as they do not want to believe it is possible for these things to exist. That is a very scarey proposition for people to accept. It turns all of our fantasies, or worse, our nightmares, into reality. Do these things still exist somewhere out of the mainstream of population centers? Are the bigfoots, and other type of creatures actually some sort of hybrid left-overs? What about all these eye-witness accounts of extra-terrestrials? The Bible indicates that we are the only creation in the universe outside of the spiritual realm that God created. This can be shown through the literal reading of Genesis.  Any “alien” from other planets or stars would seem to be the angels assigned to oversee those planets or stars, who have fallen from that estate, or these “aliens” may be their offspring from mating with humans. If one believes these eye-witness reports, one of E.T's big things seems to be to take sperm and eggs and impregnate women then steal the fetuses, (if reports are to be believed). In the gospels we are told that before the return of Yeshua, the world will be like it was before the Flood. This is a biblical fact. Well, before the Flood, not only was the entire world wicked, but the angelic realm was procreating with humans and living among them. They probably presented themselves as “gods” (think Egyptian, Norse, Babylonian, Sumerian, Greek, and Roman mythology for example) who came down and mated with mortals. There are all kinds of horrors that await us when we open that door of possibility that angels could mate with humans. After all, have you read what some of them look like? Read Ezekiel and Revelation. They are not all human looking.

That brings us down to the subject of “aliens.” Now, this is a controversial subject, as there is not bona fide evidence of such (at least none that is available to the public). The only "evidence" is the eye-witness accounts of people who claim to have had some sort of contact on some level.  What is interesting is what these accounts say.  One of these groups are described as about ten feet tall, blonde, blue-eyed, some with six fingers. Wait, six fingers? Let us go to Scripture. 2 Samuel 21:20 “And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.” So these “alien” giants have a similar genetic flaw to the giants of old? How peculiar. Aliens also supposedly take the look of “grays,” or “reptilians.” Considering that Satan is reptilian, (he is described as the serpent, dragon, leviathan - all reptilian creatures.) and that there are two groups of people – Orientals, and Native Americans (South as well as North) who say they are descended from the snake or serpent gods who came down from the sky, we can guess that some of the nephilim might have had reptilian appearances, as some angels obviously have that look. We know that the cherubim have the look of an ox, eagle, and lion, as well as a man. Satan was once a cherubim too. In fact he was the covering cherub. He is a serpent. It would seem that the cherubim represent much of the type of creatures God put on this world – man, the domesticated animals (ox), the wild animals (lion), the birds (eagle) and the reptile/fish (serpent). We have no idea what the different ranks of angels look like. Those who are star overseers, or stars as the Bible refers to them in multiple verses, may be the blonde, blue-eyed type that are radiant in appearance. All of nature, as well as the nations, have angels overseeing them (again many scripture verses for this). Possibly their appearances reflect their jobs. We have no idea what the angels who mated with humans looked like. According to people of the Orient and Americas, they are descended from a serpent god. The Scandinavian countries historically had gods that looked like the blonde, blue-eyed types. The “aliens” seem to be 1) very interested in procreation by using man and 2) like to talk about Jesus or “the Christ” a lot. Why would aliens from a far off galaxy even know about Jesus who lived 2000 years ago, and why would they be interested in Him? They shouldn't be if evolution were true and they are from a distant galaxy. Even if they were interested in our culture, why focus on Yeshua? Why not Allah, or Zeus, or Thor, or Horus? But no, it is Yeshua that they harp on. It's very telling that they are spiritual beings.

So we can see that the Bible clearly teaches that the spirit world has been interacting with humanity on the most intimate level before and after the Flood. The Flood was necessary to cleanse the earth as all mankind's bloodline was corrupted at that time. Noah's family was the only one still clean. Notice that it says that "Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God," in Genesis 6:9. It is not speaking of his righteousness when it says he was perfect, for it said he was just and walked with God. What was perfect in his generations or lineage was the bloodline. Not only did these angels interact with man before the Flood, but immediately after, and still today. It has been an ongoing thing for millennia. And if they possessed technology before the Flood and after the Flood back when the pyramids and such were built, (there is no other explanation for this ancient technology) is their technology not that much greater today, just as ours has also progressed? Would they not have been able to create flying ships centuries ago? The evidence is certainly there that they did. One only needs to look at ancient hieroglyphics, and even the paintings of people from the Renaissance era to see that flying saucers are showing up in their artwork. In fact, some ancient artifacts from some pyramids are shaped like planes. When larger models were made of these things, they were found to be aerodynamic. Coincidence? I don't think so.  The Bhagavad gita from the Hindu religion is an ancient (B.C.) manuscript that tells all about flying ships and their occupants. Just imagination?  UFOs are not new by any means, even Columbus and America's founding fathers reported them in their writings, but they are not people from other planets. They are the fallen angels and their progeny, the nephilim. They are posers. They posed as “gods” back when gods were the “in” thing. Today we are into the belief in “aliens” from other planets, so they pose as that. Whatever fits the bill at the time. As these “aliens” today specifically point to certain constellations or planets, etc. to say that is their place of origin, I would not dispute that, but I dispute that they are inhabitants as we are inhabitants. The Scriptures tell us that the stars are angels, (Daniel 8:10, Rev. 1:20, 12:4) and I think we should again take Scripture at face value. We know that God has made angels overseers of nations (Daniel 10:20) and the weather (Revelation 7:1), so why not the stars? One of these groups of “aliens” say that they came from the Orion constellation. I believe they did. I believe they are the offspring of the angels assigned to oversee the running of those stars -the angels who left their first estate. I believe the nephilim remnant that escaped Israel has continued to live up to this day, hidden somewhere from our view. While the historical reports of explorers who ran into them show that many of them were not technologically savvy, as they lived as primitively in some cases as natives, there are also stories that indicate that some were very technologically savvy, so we should not be surprised that they should be able to find places and ways to hide from our view. They fear God, as they know He exists. The fact that Israel was able to kill off so many of them made them afraid. They understood God intended to wipe them out, so they fled. Why do you think these "aliens" are reported to spend so much time talking about the “Christ” spirit? They want to change the gospel so that people do not follow God, because they know what is coming. It's not just Armageddon, it is Ragnarok, the twilight or end of their “gods.”

Just for clarification's sake, some of the information above is Scriptural and therefore bona fide truth, such as angels being overseers of stars, and the angels having mated with man before and after the Flood creating giant offspring, but other information such as where and what they are doing now, that is speculation based upon physical evidence, legends and stories, and eye witness accounts of people who say they have had interactions with these creatures. One must keep the actual truth of Scripture separate from speculation based upon hearsay or even physical evidence. We can form hypotheses that appear to be true from evidence, but without verification in some way it cannot be claimed to be actual truth, but merely theory.

4 comments:

  1. Well written truth. This subject is all too neglected today. When Jesus said: You are of your father the devil - he was not just calling someone a name he was speaking the truth.

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    1. So, if the angels are able to reproduce, then so can Satan. So do you then believe the serpent seed theory also, that Satan had sex with Eve and produced Cain, then Adam knew her and produced Able, and they were twins??? That makes just as much sense to me as this does. I'm not trying to be mean, but I just can't swallow this angel/women sex thing. Angels are spirits, the bible says that in several places. Jesus said of his resurrection: Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. Last I knew you had to have flesh and bones to have sex organs!!! No where does it say, God created Angles to reproduce. And Satan cannot create, he only can deceive. So in my humble opinion, there hast to be some other explanation! Don't ask me what it is, but I am praying about it!! I did like your article and I would like to believe it, but something in me says no...How would a human woman birth a baby that would grow up to 30 ft. tall. A woman has trouble with a 10 or 12 lb. baby, anything that would grow to 20 or 30' tall would not be able to grow in a woman. That is logic to me, and the simple law of nature or creation!

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    2. In answer to your first question, no, I don't believe in the lie of the serpent seed of Eve and Satan. It is not Scriptural. See my article on the Christian Identity movement here. http://bibleconundrumsandcontroversy.blogspot.com/2012/03/christian-identity-movement-and-arnold.html
      Second, while angels' bodies are not restricted to the corporeal form we have, they most certainly can manifest in said form. Note that in Sodom and Gomorrah the men of the city wanted to have sex with them. The argument is sometimes given that angels are sexless but Scripture nowhere says that. It says they don't marry. That is a distinct difference. But neither will we marry in heaven, because reproduction is unnecessary there. Angels have no need to reproduce, it doesn't mean they don't have gender. Not marrying in heaven won't make us genderless. The angels mentioned in the Bible usually are presented as men gender-wise, but in Zechariah we find a couple mentioned as women. Given that distinction, it seems that they do have gender. Which means there must be sexual organs to allow for the distinction. Just because God said they don't marry does not mean they cannot take on the physical form of their gender (which they did according to Scripture) and have sex with women. And indeed that is exactly what the Scriptures tell us they did. You can accept or reject it, but clearly that is what happened. Seth's descendants were as evil as everyone else except for Noah. We are told it is his lineage (generations) alone that was perfect (untainted). Humans do not produce races of giants simply by having children. If Seth's descendants were the sons of God, the world would not have been entirely wicked, would it. (continued below)

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    3. Just because you have trouble wrapping your head around something does not make it untrue. As for a woman giving birth, what says that the babies were so large at birth? A baby hippo is nowhere near the size it will be. A women could not give birth to a 6 foot man either. He grows to that size, he isn't born that big. And nothing says these women survived these births either. Your logic isn't really as logical as you think it is. You just are having serious trouble accepting that the world that you are familiar with is not always what has been. It is an extremely frightening proposition to believe in this, as the ramifications are horrifying. But remember when the spies went from Moses to check out the land they said the land was filled with giants that made them look like grasshoppers. That's a big giant. The grapes they brought back had to have been the size of basketballs given that it took two men carrying ONE BUNCH of grapes on a pole between them. The genetics of these people and the food and probably animals had been tinkered with, which explains why God said destroy everything, man, women, children, and animals. God Himself said that the giants were the size of cedar trees. Over there cedar trees grow to 120 feet. Are you calling God a liar? Ancient gigantic structures around the world are not possible for man today to build. Who do you think built them? Why would they need them that big? It wasn't aliens.

      You need to open your mind to this possibility, because God tells us that as it was in the days of Noah, so will it be again. I don't think He was limiting that to wickedness. There is ample evidence to believe these giants still exist, hiding out from man's view because they fear God, because He wanted them wiped out. Even the Native Americans tell that in recent history they had to deal with these tribes of huge giants who roamed America. Whether you can deal with it or not, the Scripture is there, the historical evidence is there, the archaeology is there to verify this fact. Check out a video on youtube by Trey Smith on the nephilim. He shows the skulls of these nephilim that have been found that are in a museum in I believe it is Peru. The odd thing about these skulls is not only their elongated shape, but the fact that they bone structure is different from a human's bone structure. We have a suture, so to speak between the left and right hemisphere of our skull. These skulls do not. They are not human skulls. It shows pictures of them taken at the museum. You might find it quite interesting. I do not necessarily agree with everything Trey says about all subjects, but the skulls are definitely something that cannot be ignored. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zz8_MxcnzY

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