tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4902564489239485922.post6374487361667879454..comments2024-01-16T02:13:31.190-08:00Comments on What Does the Bible Say? Conundrums & Controversy: Are the Seals, Trumpets, and Vials of Revelation All the Same Events?Conniehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16624728134929059941noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4902564489239485922.post-34408068665131345222020-06-05T00:36:50.168-07:002020-06-05T00:36:50.168-07:00Yeah, as far as I can tell Trumpets and vials are ...Yeah, as far as I can tell Trumpets and vials are pretty much the same events being interpreted slightly different. Not everything is going to perfectly line up because it's not supposed to. The numbers have symbolic meanings and sometime literal meaning. They sound quite alike to me. I could be mistaken but will keep studying and asking for more revelation. I learn more every year. stars are angels in the Bible. Wormwood is a false prophet that makes the waters bitter ( fountains of living waters...the preaching of the word) he's spreading false doctrine and it kills, cause it has no power of Salvation. It's all very highly symbolic and possibly literal but the Spiritual aspect of it (which cannot be separated from the physical) is much more important. As in heaven so on Earth. This is all finished outside of time. We are waiting for the physical manifestation of the Spiritual truth. The first shall be last and the last shall be first. Think about that one.Kimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00373255506900238139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4902564489239485922.post-66581685317274925792016-02-23T17:48:32.779-08:002016-02-23T17:48:32.779-08:00Hi Simon. Thanks for commenting. In answer to your...Hi Simon. Thanks for commenting. In answer to your question, I put the rapture where Paul put the rapture. At the last trump (7th). It is at that point that heaven declares that God's wrath has come and that He will punish the nations. Up until that point, the only mention of wrath is in the sixth seal, but it is people on earth stating that they believe God's wrath has come due to what is occurring in the celestial arena. Heaven only announces it after the last trump when Christ begins His reign on earth and when the mystery of God (which I take to be the Church) is finished. Also the Bema Seat Judgment takes place at this time according to Rev. 11:15-18, so that's where I put it.<br /><br />I have several articles here on this blog about the subject from various directions, and I have an entire blog dedicated to going through the endtimes Scriptures starting with pulling out things in Genesis through the O.T. and then verse by verse through the book of Revelation and then topical subjects after that. That blog is really a chronological one, so if you check it out it is best to start at the intro and work your way through the archives. It is found at http://endtimesstudies.blogspot.com/. <br /><br />Some articles on this blog are found at these dates in the archives to the side. I listed the titles after the dates. 2/2/12 - The Pre-trib Rapture Has Several Problems, 2/14/12 - A Timeline of the 70th Week of Daniel, 2/20/12 - An Answer to Youtube Video on the Pre-trib Rapture, 3/30/12 - Daniel's 70th Week, the Tribulation, The Day of the Lord, 6/9/12 - Did Paul Know About the 7th Trumpet of Revelation, 5/2/13 - The Seven Churches Are Not Exempt From Suffering, 1/31/14 - Is Paul's Last Trump the Same as the Seventh Trumpet?, 7/15/14 - 2 Thess. 2:1-11. <br /><br />All of these articles have some things about why I put the rapture at the last trumpet. For the most detailed explanation though, my blog on endtimes is the place to go. Hope it's not an overload of info. lol Conniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16624728134929059941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4902564489239485922.post-55266339407138842962016-02-23T13:29:16.665-08:002016-02-23T13:29:16.665-08:00Hi there
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on
&...Hi there<br /> Thanks for sharing your thoughts on <br />"Are the Seals, Trumpets, and Vials of Revelation All the Same Events?" <br /> enjoyed your take on it..<br /><br /> I'm curious about (where/how) the Rapture might fit in here,<br /> traditionally there are three different idea's put out, pre...trib----mid...trib and lastly at the very end of the tribulation.<br />wondering about your thought's on that.<br /><br />bye for nowsimonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04017269284120631418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4902564489239485922.post-43158097752390626882013-12-20T15:30:03.604-08:002013-12-20T15:30:03.604-08:00To say that the Bible is NEVER linear is not an ac...To say that the Bible is NEVER linear is not an accurate statement. I believe it does have Christ's birth before His death. As for the Gadarene demonic, it was not the man that was worshiping. It was the demon that came and prostrated himself before Jesus and begged Him not to torment him. It says the man came and worshipped and cried out with a loud voice, but the voice was that of the head demon of the Legion. The events happened exactly as easily understood. As for Revelation, it was "written" by Jesus Christ, who was dictating to John, and I think just as God put days 1-7 in order in Genesis, He also expects us to know that when he says First, Second, Third, etc. that we are to understand that we shouldn't put the seventh before the second or mix them up in any way. Since the Seventh seal is said to open the trumpets, and the seventh trumpet announces the opening of the vials, it is quite clear that they must be chronological. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to put them in any other order, since we are told the ordinal numbers and what each ordinal number contains. Why is it so hard to simply accept what God says is what He means? It makes perfect sense to have it in order, so why try to make things convoluted by changing the order? I don't think I'm having any problem. Things make perfect sense to me the way I understand them.Conniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16624728134929059941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4902564489239485922.post-24063091591256179882013-12-20T11:39:06.118-08:002013-12-20T11:39:06.118-08:00Tammy is somewhat correct in the statement that th...Tammy is somewhat correct in the statement that the Bible is never linear. Hebrew writers follow a thought and NEVER write for chronology. take the story of the man in the tombs. It appears the man worships Jesus (Mk. 5:6) before Jesus spoke to him. Not so. the Writer follows the thought and doesn't write in order the events. Mk. 5:8 occurred before vs. 6. as to the revealing of the Antichrist, when is not clear, but the Bible is very clear that the church will not be taken away until he is revealed (2 Thess. 2:3.) The problem you're having is the same one I had: Trying to understand a Hebrew author thru a western minded translation. imagine the seals are shuffled up and out of sequence, the trumps the same, and the vials the same...all shuffled out of order by translators trying to explain the order. the fact is this: the order of events aren't clear at all but God has made the time-frame when they will occur very clear.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15063755745048351623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4902564489239485922.post-37691689963202853822013-10-21T11:04:05.914-07:002013-10-21T11:04:05.914-07:00You are of course entitled to your opinion, but I ...You are of course entitled to your opinion, but I find that the way God has shown me to interpret it makes complete sense when taken in totality with all of Revelation.Conniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16624728134929059941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4902564489239485922.post-55479963470331124132013-10-21T09:13:22.369-07:002013-10-21T09:13:22.369-07:00your understanding is quite flawed considering the...your understanding is quite flawed considering the antichrist comes on the scene only after the last 7 years has begun. What brings about the last 7 years is simply the signing of a treaty with many and Israel. We will not know who the antichrist is for sure at that time. Not until He stand in the temple and calls himself God! So with that said now ask the Holy Spirit to give you understanding and to wipe out all your preconceived notions and every thing u have learned of men. He comes looking like a savior to the whole world he says he comes in peace but is anything but peaceful.<br /><br />See your understanidng is simply your own the Lord shows the few very few elect the truth and they do not make it fit their point of view we are shown what the Lord's point of view is then and only then can we understand the truth of it. <br /><br />They do not go chronologically. John shows us the seals first then the trumpets and we are going back to a different view then forward again then back again for the final view of it.Tammy Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06358113214173123400noreply@blogger.com