tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4902564489239485922.post5166785161587919064..comments2024-01-16T02:13:31.190-08:00Comments on What Does the Bible Say? Conundrums & Controversy: The Christian Identity Movement and Arnold MurrayConniehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16624728134929059941noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4902564489239485922.post-44186960778311198472018-07-05T08:40:58.049-07:002018-07-05T08:40:58.049-07:00Man makes mistakes, God does not. Human teachers m...Man makes mistakes, God does not. Human teachers make mistakes, God does not. If we listen to the Holy Spirit he will teach us the truth. Some people try and figure it out on their own and are not listening to the Spirit. <br />Job 4:12 <br />“A word was secretly brought to me, my ears caught a whisper of it. 13 Amid disquieting dreams in the night,<br />when deep sleep falls on people, 14 fear and trembling seized me and made all my bones shake.15 A spirit glided past my face, and the hair on my body stood on end. 16 It stopped, but I could not tell what it was. A form stood before my eyes, and I heard a hushed voice: 17 ‘Can a mortal be more righteous than God? Can even a strong man be more pure than his Maker? 18 If God places no trust in his servants, if he charges his angels with error,<br />19 how much more those who live in houses of clay, whose foundations are in the dust, who are crushed more readily than a moth! 20 Between dawn and dusk they are broken to pieces; unnoticed, they perish forever. 21 Are not the cords of their tent pulled up, so that they die without wisdom?’<br />John 14:26<br />But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.<br />Isaiah 2:22 <br />Stop trusting in mere humans, who have but a breath in their nostrils. Why hold them in esteem?<br /><br />Also remember That Jesus came to save and not to condemn.<br /><br /><br />Isaiah 9:6 <br />For to us a child is born,<br /> to us a son is given,<br /> and the government will be on his shoulders.<br />And he will be called<br /> Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,<br /> Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4902564489239485922.post-64786342027046583982014-07-02T15:27:19.171-07:002014-07-02T15:27:19.171-07:00The Bible teaches a rapture, although it is called...The Bible teaches a rapture, although it is called "being caught up in the air" in the Scriptures. The word "rapture" is merely a synonym that was coined for easier reference. It is not a false doctrine. It is the timing of it that is in dispute and can be a false doctrine. The pre-trib rapture is not taught in Scripture. I believe the Scriptures should be taken at face value and that the rapture is where Paul said it is, at the last trump. I suggest you read my article on "Is there a Rapture?" http://bibleconundrumsandcontroversy.blogspot.com/2012/03/is-there-or-is-there-not-rapture.html. You also need to be very careful to look at what you are being taught to see if it truly lines up with Scripture. What Arnold Murray teaches does not.<br />Conniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16624728134929059941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4902564489239485922.post-28748683763228499122014-07-02T13:45:06.201-07:002014-07-02T13:45:06.201-07:00You need to be VERY thoughtful and careful about p...You need to be VERY thoughtful and careful about preaching about a Rapture. This is a very dangerous and likely false doctrine and very controversial. If you preach of something this substantial and it is not true (which is very likely), you might as well join the ranks of the false prophets you so often speak of.Ariannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03516485892895110083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4902564489239485922.post-40521081154502751102013-12-29T18:36:32.853-08:002013-12-29T18:36:32.853-08:00Zec 14:21 -
Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Ju...Zec 14:21 - <br />Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts. <br /><br />Good sound questions. I must admit I like your site and agree overall. The giants were tied into the canaanites and the Bible says one day no more canaanites. Yes I know Simon is called a canaanite - but is he of the race or the area of canaan?<br /><br />Thanks for the Hoggard expose - strange bird indeed<br /><br />But you have some good teachings on this site. Chaplain Bob Walkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12777212572442541988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4902564489239485922.post-73216999026628316222013-12-29T17:46:50.719-08:002013-12-29T17:46:50.719-08:00I don't know for a fact that they are the chil...I don't know for a fact that they are the children of the serpent god, they SAY they are the children of the serpent god. The fact that they have continued with religions that are Babylonian oriented and been resistant to the gospel is an interesting fact that would seem to bear your idea out, however some have been saved, so obviously salvation is available to them. I don't know that if the blood were diluted enough with only a very small amount of angelic blood, if people would still fall under the Adamic covenant. This is a question I have wrestled with for a long time. Can humans with tainted blood be saved? I know that the ones that were in the land of Canaan apparently were not, but is that because they chose to reject God, or they couldn't be saved? I can't find anything specifically in the Bible that rules out salvation for the descendents way down the road. The reason it was so important to rid the world of that blood before the flood was because Jesus had to have pure human blood. But that reason no longer exists. There is reason to believe that some of the nephilim were the Nordic gods, and that they had descendants that were reddish/blonde haired with blue eyes. My cousin jokingly said that he can trace our ancestry back to Odin, the head Nordic god. I don't know that I believe him, but what would that mean for me and the line of godly ancestors I have from that particular line? It's a mystery to me as to where the line gets drawn on salvation and people's bloodlines. How much tainted blood is too much? I have no idea.Conniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16624728134929059941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4902564489239485922.post-16837773613211086342013-12-29T16:51:02.025-08:002013-12-29T16:51:02.025-08:00Just a question: IF the indians and orientals are ...Just a question: IF the indians and orientals are the children of the serpent god(s) of Genesis 6....as in your giants article. it would seem no salvation is available to them.<br /><br />Indians and orientals never in history have ever seemed to respond to the gospel in any large way. I know europe and the USA are not much better today. When you think about it is it not mostly whites of European descent who have carried the Bible all over the world? Chaplain Bob Walkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12777212572442541988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4902564489239485922.post-87207673101681994082013-09-22T05:27:47.865-07:002013-09-22T05:27:47.865-07:00The Bible does not teach a superior race, nor does...The Bible does not teach a superior race, nor does it teach hatred against Gentiles. You mistake the word "chosen" for superior. Nobody is superior, however God chose a person who loved and worshiped Him and promised that through him and his descendants the Messiah who would provide salvation to every person on earth would come. This happened to be the Jewish race, not by any merit of theirs, for they were unfaithful to God, but because God always keeps a promise and He had promised this to Abraham. This Messiah is for everyone,Jew and Gentile alike, so it is not a matter of some people being chosen and some not. You and every other person on earth do the choosing. God is holy. He cannot tolerate the presence of evil, therefore those who choose to reject a relationship of holiness with Him, must be allowed to live in a place for eternity where God does not exist. Hence God provided that. Hell is what the absence of God creates. He didn't make it to torture people, it is simply the result of providing a place where His presence cannot go and He does not intervene. Hell creates itself, for it is merely everything that God is not. It is hatred, violence, badness, merciless, etc. Hinduism, and other religions do not offer forgiveness of sins and a cleansing to purge all evil out of you so that you can live in the presence of God. Only Christ, through taking the eternal punishment of those sins for you could substitute His righteousness in your place. No other religion offers that. To be chosen simply means that you have chosen God and therefore He chooses you. He knows in advance who will choose Him, as He has foreknowledge, hence He calls those whom He knows will choose Him, His elect. Anybody can fall into that category - Jew, Gentile, slave, free man, man, woman. There is no respecter of persons with God. He accepts anybody that wants Him, including you. Conniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16624728134929059941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4902564489239485922.post-16419914701347870792013-09-22T04:39:59.627-07:002013-09-22T04:39:59.627-07:00One fool attacks another fool.. The bible is a ...One fool attacks another fool.. The bible is a 'racist' book full of hate for against Gentiles and no amount of gibberish from Jesus Christ about 'for god so loved' this or that changes it.(A lie since no god would torture for eternity its own creation if it loved it and it was he apparently who created hell so that rules out the nonsense about him desperatly wanting to 'save' humanity from it). Back to the point, Identity Christians believe caucasions to be 'chosen' Mainstream Christians believe Jews to be 'chosen' superior or whatever you call it. The difference between the two is youns swap around who you believe is 'chosen' or 'elect', but the fundamentals is the same, just look at the genocide and all the rest in the old testament. You are right enough about the genesis account in that there is no 'superior' or 'chosen' people groups mentioned in it. The whole superior people thing comes later with the whole abraham and his special 'seed' covenant which points to the bible being a compilation of various sources. The old and new testaments are the most outstanding examples of this since they're basically two opposites. Look you showed good intelectual quality in watching this man Murrays videos and analysing them which a lot of Christians wouldn't do cause they'd get into a rage(I would know from personal experience and such) but why don't you take a look at a more peaceful or reasonable religion like say Hinduism or something, one that doesn't call for genocide of others that doesn't place Caucasions or Jews as 'chosen' races. :)Deslon Strelovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00789545922998206277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4902564489239485922.post-59086259616378310192013-03-25T06:16:02.419-07:002013-03-25T06:16:02.419-07:00I do not have to lie or fabricate any evidence to ...I do not have to lie or fabricate any evidence to show that Arnold Murray's teachings are completely unscriptural. One need only read the Bible to see that. A little research shows that he knows no more about the original languages than the average person, as his conclusions and interpretations do not bear up under scrutiny. I listened to more than enough of his teachings to know exactly what he is teaching. The difference is, I examined what he said under a microscope against the Word of God. Have you? Or do you just accept what he says without question? He is not educating people on Bible truths, he is brainwashing people into his antisemitic, unscriptural balderdash. Calling me a liar is not going to change the fact of what he is teaching and doing. The truth is the truth, but you are welcome to listen to him if you want. Be forewarned that there will be a price to pay for it, though. Conniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16624728134929059941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4902564489239485922.post-59402197507473709332013-03-25T01:23:20.157-07:002013-03-25T01:23:20.157-07:00Speaking of lies and fabrications.....the author a...Speaking of lies and fabrications.....the author appears to be an expert in that area....For one to really understand the Bible you have to go back to the original text....of which Pastor Murray has a great understanding. Maybe the author should listen to more of Pastor Murray's teachings to develop a better understanding instead of attempting to smear someone who is doing God's work in educating people on Bible truths?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4902564489239485922.post-66200399785379248882012-12-04T15:47:30.362-08:002012-12-04T15:47:30.362-08:00Actually there is, but as I am sure you have never...Actually there is, but as I am sure you have never bothered to investigate it due to what I am assuming to be extreme prejudice, you cannot know what it teaches. That's what is so sad. People never investigate things before having an opinion. They simply listen to others and parrot them without ever checking the facts. That is why I spend so much time in investigating things and ferreting out the truth. God holds me responsible for what I believe and I can't pass the buck on to anybody else. Neither can anyone else. A lot of people are going to find that excuse doesn't fly with God.Conniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16624728134929059941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4902564489239485922.post-87566385762998126672012-12-04T13:24:19.324-08:002012-12-04T13:24:19.324-08:00"He claims first, that because science shows ..."He claims first, that because science shows us that the world is millions of years old, (this can be demonstrated to be incorrect by creation science)" <br /><br />Creation science? No such thing. The very phrase is an oxymoron. Sorry, you had me until you tried arguing against one myth with another :(Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07710127875456783674noreply@blogger.com